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Bird. - Shadrach - 06-07-2006

i voted for bush...that embarasses me now

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Do you think that Collin Powell was lying when he sat in front of the UN and showed satellite photos, read transcripts from spys that had seen WMDs, etc..

Did you know Colin Powell at the time voiced his opposition to the data they were using to claim this?Of course you didn't.He had no choice but to give that report, it was his job to follow bush's orders.

Bird. - ClayRock - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:bump

who cares? it was Canada..

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Shadrach Wrote:i voted for bush...that embarasses me now

At least your man enough to admit it.

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:People criticised clinton for going to somalia after those Marines got killed.Bush even ran his 2000 campain with that incident as an example on how American can't be the worlds policeman.Now your all for it, huh?Typical.
Do I want us to go to Somalia? Not really, we've got our hands full now. I wish some of these other do nothing nations would step it up and realize what is going on.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

lettuce cheese Wrote:Its not just a GOP position. Blacks Democrats, especially Southern blacks, despise the idea of homo marriage.

Small % of people.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Do I want us to go to Somalia? Not really, we've got our hands full now. I wish some of these other do nothing nations would step it up and realize what is going on.

I think if we didnt flush our nations credibility down the toilet we could have had more leverage to get something done.I love how republicans now want to go to somalia after bitching about clinton doing it.Its like bizzaro world.

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

ClayRock Wrote:who cares? it was Canada..

Yeah, I didn't figure you could wrap your mini mind around it....

But, the plan I read in the paper today, was that those guys were going to blow up some buildings and take some members of the Canadian government captive. They were particularly planning to kidnap the Prime Minister. Then, they were going to hold him hostage, threaten to behead him, unless Canada.........



......unless Canada pulled out of Afghanistan.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Maybe we would have more resources to fight alqueda in canada and elsewhere if we werent occupying a country that has nothing to do with "the war on terror".

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:I think if we didnt flush our nations credibility down the toilet we could have had more leverage to get something done.I love how republicans now want to go to somalia after bitching about clinton doing it.Its like bizzaro world.
Man, I never remember Bush using anything about Somalia in his campaign against Clinton. I'm not saying it didn't happen, that was a long time ago, but I don't ever remember that issue at all. In fact, Bush's Dad was the one that preached how the US had a higher role, to be one of the watchdogs for global security. He was very big on how the US had to step up its role and protect human rights around the globe. He talked about that when Saddam invaded Kuwait for no reason and started killing and raping its people.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Man, I never remember Bush using anything about Somalia in his campaign against Clinton. I'm not saying it didn't happen, that was a long time ago, but I don't ever remember that issue at all. In fact, Bush's Dad was the one that preached how the US had a higher role, to be one of the watchdogs for global security. He was very big on how the US had to step up its role and protect human rights around the globe. He talked about that when Saddam invaded Kuwait for no reason and started killing and raping its people.

G.W. Bush ran on a policy of america not being "nation builders".You don't really know what your talking about.

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:G.W. Bush ran on a policy of america not being "nation builders".You don't really know what your talking about.

Yeah, ok.

wikipedia Wrote:President Bush pursued moderate policies in both domestic and foreign policy. During the final days of the Cold War, he was responsible for managing US foreign policy during the delicate transition of the Soviet Union and eastern Europe from being communist states to being liberal democracies. He championed the concept of a New World Order where international law and global consensus would replace military and strategic confrontation as a means of accomplishing diplomatic objectives. This idea was exemplified during the Gulf War, when the US rallied a global coalition to reverse the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq under Saddam Hussein. In domestic policy, Bush's most notable initiative was the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, a controversial compromise with congressional Democrats that traded spending controls for tax increases, to balance the federal budget.

Sorry, I didn't get the "exact" words right. I was paraphrasing from 16 years ago.

Bird. - SanDog - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Small % of people.

Are you kidding? I think the last numbers I saw had Americans opposing gay marriage at around 70%.

Bird. - SanDog - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Maybe we would have more resources to fight alqueda in canada and elsewhere if we werent occupying a country that has nothing to do with "the war on terror".

And this is the democrat platform for November. It ain't gonna work. Shit even Hillary knows that, she does not even discuss this much anymore.

The Bush Lied mantra ain't gonna work. I am telling you, just wait and see.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Yeah, ok.



Sorry, I didn't get the "exact" words right. I was paraphrasing from 16 years ago.

I'm not saying you werent right about Bush Sr. I agree with what he's saying. What GW did in iraq isnt the same.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

SanDog Wrote:And this is the democrat platform for November. It ain't gonna work. Shit even Hillary knows that, she does not even discuss this much anymore.

The Bush Lied mantra ain't gonna work. I am telling you, just wait and see.

Its already working.37% and dropping.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

SanDog Wrote:Are you kidding? I think the last numbers I saw had Americans opposing gay marriage at around 70%.

Black southerners is the small %.

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Its already working.37% and dropping.
Man, I hate that you wasted my past hour reading web pages and doing searches, but I can't find any instance of Bush II using Somalia as part of his campaign platform against Clinton.

Bush I and Clinton pretty much had the same take on Somalia. It was a fucking time bomb. Clinton got hung out to dry because he took office in January '93 and the helicopter trying to assasinate some warlord went down in the fall of '93. Not on the scale, but kind of like Bush II and 9/11. He hadn't even got his feet on the ground and something like that happens.

If it had happened over here, we'd have done something about it. Since it happened "over there" in a fucked up mess of a place, then everybody just said "fuck it" and pulled out.

Bird. - BIRD33 - 06-07-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Man, I hate that you wasted my past hour reading web pages and doing searches, but I can't find any instance of Bush II using Somalia as part of his campaign platform against Clinton.

Bush I and Clinton pretty much had the same take on Somalia. It was a fucking time bomb. Clinton got hung out to dry because he took office in January '93 and the helicopter trying to assasinate some warlord went down in the fall of '93. Not on the scale, but kind of like Bush II and 9/11. He hadn't even got his feet on the ground and something like that happens.

If it had happened over here, we'd have done something about it. Since it happened "over there" in a fucked up mess of a place, then everybody just said "fuck it" and pulled out.

Bush I and Clinton had the same take.Bush Jr. ran on a non interferance policy becasue of the somalia marine disaster.There are rumors that Bush Sr. and Jr. rarely speak about Iraq because Sr. doesnt agree with whats happening


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/02/once_against_nation_building_bush_now_involved?mode=PF

"During a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000, in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bush said: "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . . I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not." "

Bird. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-07-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Bush I and Clinton had the same take.Bush Jr. ran on a non interferance policy becasue of the somalia marine disaster.There are rumors that Bush Sr. and Jr. rarely speak about Iraq because Sr. doesnt agree with whats happening


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/02/once_against_nation_building_bush_now_involved?mode=PF

"During a debate with then-Vice President Al Gore on Oct. 11, 2000, in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bush said: "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. . . . I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean, we're going to have a kind of nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not." "

Yeah, he was big on the "do not nation build" theme. I just couldn't find anywhere that he adapted the term to somalia.

Regardless, that doesn't add up well to what he is doing in Iraq. Nation building is exactly what we are trying to do. Turns out he was right. We shouldn't be doing it.