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manny - snarg - 07-30-2009
hahaha, Mark Mcguire??
he wants to talk about the future, not the past
seems he ain't talkin' 'bout nuttin
i'm bummed about big papi
one hopes that someone is telling the truth
who's next?? pedro? jeter? griffey?
manny - BIRD33 - 07-30-2009
WoolyGoat Wrote:do you think JC Romero was the only guy on roids or hgh on the Phils last year? I know you're a fanboi and all, but that's pretty naive.
and Ortiz is still a good guy in light of what he does for the community, I meant. He's not an asshole like Bonds.
I guess I'm naive but I think Romero might have been the only one.Go down the list and besides Howard who off the bat would you suspect to be on the juice?Howards career has been pretty well documented and he came along as the shit was hitting the fan steroid wise so I think he's clean.You know its not Utley or Rollins so I'm pretty sure nobody of consequence was juicing for the Phil's last year that had the same impact Papi or Ramirez had.We have no Dominicans that I can think of.
manny - BIRD33 - 07-30-2009
snarg Wrote:hahaha, Mark Mcguire??
he wants to talk about the future, not the past
seems he ain't talkin' 'bout nuttin
i'm bummed about big papi
one hopes that someone is telling the truth
who's next?? pedro? jeter? griffey?
Better to not say anything at all in my mind then lie.
Pedro I put in the maybe column.Griffey no way and probably Jeter too.
manny - snarg - 07-30-2009
man, there are no surprises any more
don't tell me petitte was not a surprise at the time?
manny doesn't look like a juicer, but shit, neither did palmeiro
very disappointing how papi called out the others and got caught
hard to believe
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-30-2009
BIRD33 Wrote:...You know its not Utley or Rollins...you do? and how do you know that?
manny - BIRD33 - 07-30-2009
WoolyGoat Wrote:you do? and how do you know that?
Body type and they came along after things got strict.Maybe they were juicing but I seriously doubt it.
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-30-2009
there's no test for HGH, dude.
i'm not saying they ARE using, but you can't say they're definitely not.
how about Rollins' HR totals in '06 and '07?
how about Utley being a middle infielder with 30+ HR power?
manny - BIRD33 - 07-30-2009
WoolyGoat Wrote:there's no test for HGH, dude.
i'm not saying they ARE using, but you can't say they're definitely not.
how about Rollins' HR totals in '06 and '07?
how about Utley being a middle infielder with 30+ HR power?
I hear you about the HGH.Utley was hurt all of last year and played through it.
Rollins is having an off year and it can lead to suspicions of steroids but thats never come up.
Utley could be the greatest second basemen of all time.
On a scale of shock as to hearing that a player is juicing Manny and Big Papi are about a 4 or 5 while Utley and Rollins would be a 8 or 9.
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-30-2009
utley would surprise me...probably just because he's white.
but seriously look at rollins HR totals from his first full season (I'm not just talking about an off year):
2001 - 14
2002 - 11
2003 - 8
2004 - 14
2005 - 12
2006 - 25
2007 - 30
2008 - 11
2009 - 10 (through july)
manny - BIRD33 - 07-30-2009
that does look suspicious.If he never hits close to that total again it will be even more suspicious.It might have been a change in attitude at the plate.Before they got real good he was criticized for swinging to much for the fences from the lead off spot.
manny - NinjaBassist - 07-31-2009
Anhil8tor Wrote:Anyone with Griffey rookies... the prices are going up with each and every major league that tests positive for steroids. Kudos to you for doing it clean and never being questions GriffI have his rookie card and got it autographed when I was kid. This was back in the good ol Kingdome days
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-31-2009
according to Francona in his post game press conference, Ortiz was "totally blindsided" by the report. Not sure if he's surprised he tested positive or surprised the info got leaked.
Francona also said that Papi is making some calls and "trying to find out some truths," then he plans on addressing everything head-on.
We'll see if he does this right or if he handles it the way everyone else did.
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-31-2009
so the 2003 test was the one used to determine if further testing was necessary for the future. if 5% (was that the number?) of major leaguers tested positive, then more strict testing would be implemented. No punishments were to be given for the 2003 test, and no names were intended to be released.
According to Nomar in a post game press conference today, he says he knows of players who purposely skipped the 2003 test because they WANTED to test positive to ensure that testing was implemented in the future. (because not taking the test is the same as testing negative)
obviously smells like bullshit, but you have to wonder how many of the 104 on the list simply refused to take the test for the sole purpose of implementing testing in the future.
manny - BIRD33 - 07-31-2009
yea right.Guardians of the game, Manny and Big Papi.
manny - WoolyGoat - 07-31-2009
David Ortiz issued the following statement after the game:
Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me. I said I had no comment because I wanted to get to the bottom of this.
I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me - I will not hide and I will not make excuses.
I want to thank my family, the Red Sox, my teammates, and the fans for their patience and support.
manny - BIRD33 - 07-31-2009
If he tested positive for some over the counter GNC product thats banned that statement makes sense.If not and its a steroid like Manny he's a big fucking liar playing everyone as a fool.It kind of reminds me of the Sosa "I don't speak english good" innocent choir boy defense.
manny - BIRD33 - 07-31-2009
"WES WELKAH NEVER DID ANY STAROIDS! AMIRITE?"
I saw that somewhere and it killed me.
manny - Anhil8tor - 07-31-2009
If Jeter or Griffey show up dirty I'm done with baseball... period.
Manny and Ortiz were on performance enhancers. Plain and simple. If you look at guys that tested positive... it was a team thing. Not a one person thing. Boston, Texas, Oakland.... they all had more than one person on the juice.
Out of the boston 2004 team I'd consider Johnny Damon as the 3rd wheel.
manny - BIRD33 - 07-31-2009
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manny - quint - 07-31-2009
how about albert in st louis?