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Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

He's a power forward with no post up game in the NBA.At best he'll be the 12th man some where or end up playing in europe.

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - Anhil8tor - 02-21-2008

he could have improved his game and worked on his strength in college. not to mention he could have banged broads that dig basketball players. he'd have been a acc all conference PF

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 02-21-2008

He and Hainsboro would have been a great match up.He's still banging borads but its now its in Souix city or some other bum fuck town.

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 02-22-2008

I don't understand this deal for the Cav's.You got to the finals last year and you trade the only two scorers on your team after Lebron?I know James hated Gooden but whats Ben Wallace going to bring to the table that Zdrunis Ilgowskis doesnt already do?If anything this makes them even more dependent on Lebron.I like this deal for the Bulls cause they get rid of Wallace and Gordon might not be back so Hughes will be his replacement.The Sonics get some cap room out of this so its not to bad for them.



Cavaliers get:
Bulls F/C Ben Wallace
Bulls F Joe Smith
Bulls 2009 2nd-round pick
Sonics F Wally Szczerbiak
Sonics G Delonte West

Bulls get:
Cavaliers F Drew Gooden
Cavaliers G Larry Hughes
Cavaliers F Cedric Simmons
Cavaliers G Shannon Brown


Sonics get:
Cavaliers F Ira Newble
Cavaliers F Donyell Marshall
Bulls F Adrian Griffin

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - WoolyGoat - 02-22-2008

Delonte is a philly guy, right? I loved him when he was with the Celtics...obviously not a #2 scorer, but he can do a lot of things.

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 02-22-2008

Yea he's a St. Joes guy.I think he's overrated.He had Jameer Nelson making him look better than he was.Apparently he's got foot problems.

When I was writing this I couldnt for the life of me remember Nelsons name.I knew what he looked like and what NBA team he was on but I was drawing a blank for some reason.I looked up Orlando's roster and was struck by two things.1 JJ Redick makes 40 grand more a year which is hilarious and also they don't list St Joes's as Nelsons college I guess because he left early?

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - Anhil8tor - 02-22-2008

didn't clay used to love him some ben wallace?

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 02-22-2008

Yea that was embarrassing.Foolery used to tell me Michael Redd was going to be as good as Iverson.How'd that turn out?

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - Anhil8tor - 02-22-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Yea that was embarrassing.Foolery used to tell me Michael Redd was going to be as good as Iverson.How'd that turn out?

think he'll come back to defend redds honor?

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - WoolyGoat - 02-22-2008

BIRD33 Wrote:Yea he's a St. Joes guy.I think he's overrated.He had Jameer Nelson making him look better than he was.Apparently he's got foot problems.

When I was writing this I couldnt for the life of me remember Nelsons name.I knew what he looked like and what NBA team he was on but I was drawing a blank for some reason.I looked up Orlando's roster and was struck by two things.1 JJ Redick makes 40 grand more a year which is hilarious and also they don't list St Joes's as Nelsons college I guess because he left early?
I think he's underrated...no one really rates him at all, not sure how he's overrated.

He's a scrappy hustle guy, he can handle the ball and can take/make tough crunch time shots. and he's got some sweet neck tattoos.

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - quint - 02-22-2008

from espn

What a whirlwind February. Eleven trades went down in just three weeks; combined with the three deals consummated prior to that point, we've had an unusually high 14 trades since opening night. And most of them weren't two-scrubs-for-a-second-rounder swaps either -- nearly every swap involved at least one prominent player changing squads.



With the deadline past, it's time to hand out report cards. Today we'll do a quick recap of each trade this season and grade the outcome for the each team involved. Obviously, a lot of water can go under the bridge between now and year-end (and beyond) that will determine how history remembers these deals, but here's my instant analysis:




Feb. 21: Cleveland trades Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall to Seattle; Chicago trades Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and a 2009 second-round pick to Cleveland; Seattle trades Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West to Cleveland; Cleveland sends Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown to Chicago; Chicago sends Adrian Griffin to Seattle

For Seattle: It's pretty straightforward on their end. The Sonics exchanged two halfway-decent players who weren't in their plans (Szczerbiak and West) for players who make less money. This year and next year, they'll save a total of about $10 million.

In the meantime, Seattle GM Sam Presti has another trade exception to play with; the last time he had a big trade exception, he turned it into three first-round draft picks and a half-season of Kurt Thomas. And if he's lucky, a healthy Marshall will shoot the lights out next year and earn him another first-round pick at next year's deadline. Grade: B+


For Cleveland: Say this for Danny Ferry -- when he swings, he swings for the fences. He hasn't been able to get a deal done for the past two years in part because he's been going for big moves like this, which are harder to pull off. But when it works ... man, does it work.

This one works, big time. Answer me this: Would you rather have Larry Hughes (12.0 PER) or Wally Szczerbiak (16.0)? Shannon Brown (8.5) or Delonte West (10.1)? Donyell Marshall (8.5) or Ben Wallace (12.1)? Drew Gooden (12.8) or Joe Smith (17.4)?

The last one is the only comparison where you'd even hesitate, because Gooden has been better the previous several years. But Smith crushes Gooden on PER this season, and isn't prone to mental gaffes the way Gooden is.

Now consider how this all fits into the larger puzzle. LeBron James now has teammates who can actually shoot! No, seriously: Wally World is at 42.8 percent on 3s this year and 40.7 percent for his career; West is 37.0 percent for his career; and Smith is reliable from 17 feet who can space the floor. All three will help the Cavs space the floor and reduce the number of five-on-one defenses LeBron has to face.

That leaves Wallace, but there's even some upside here. Not for shooting, of course, but for all the other stuff he brings. I have had at least one scout tell me his poor results this year have been partly because he just wasn't playing hard; one wonders if the relocation will improve his spirits. And unlike Phoenix with Shaq, the Cavs didn't give up an All-Star in order to find out the answer to this question -- they just need Big Ben to play with some energy for 20 minutes off the bench as the fourth big man.

All told, this trade is a huge coup for Cleveland. They had to take on more salary (and a bigger luxury tax burden) to do it, so credit Cavs owner Dan Gilbert for busting out his checkbook. But they've been trying for two years to trade Gooden and Hughes; the fact they got something so worthwhile from the exchange is amazing. Grade: A-

For Chicago: Gasol, Garnett, Kobe ... we've all heard the rumors about these top-notch players coming to Chicago, and when they finally make a big trade, it's for the Cavs' leftovers.


But don't despair, Bulls fans -- it's not a bad trade for your team. Hughes gives the Bulls a big guard, finally, given that Thabo Sefolosha is not ready for prime time. And Hughes might be much better in Chicago than he was in Cleveland because there's so much more space on the floor for his drives. If so, it sets Chicago up to unload Ben Gordon this summer, perhaps in a sign-and-trade, and get a piece that fits better.

While Gooden is having a tough year, he is younger than Smith and has a better future -- and at this point Chicago should be thinking about the future rather than the present. Meanwhile, Wallace's departure allows them to get more minutes for Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas without the locker room imploding.

Finally, it didn't cost Chicago any of its long-term assets to make this trade, which means they can still put Gordon or Thomas or somebody of that ilk into a deal this summer.

It's probably a little disappointing to Bulls fans that they didn't pull off something more monumental, but for what it was, it's a decent trade, with Hughes' performance being the key. Grade: B

whole article is here
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=TradeGrades-080221&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dTradeGrades-080221

Dallas Mavs Get Jason Kid - BIRD33 - 04-30-2008

I'm 100% correct through out this thread.