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Flump.. - snarg - 01-05-2007

flumpenstein, you can't be serious bringing up smoke and mirrors
or sheep for that matter
loyalty is admirable, but really........ :melt:

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-05-2007

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Hey stupid? Here's a thought. I did know that the letter from Iraq to the Africans was forged. My question was, now read this slowly so you get it.

Do you think Bush and Cheney forged that letter?

See, Liberalsheepboy, you can't take every sentence and twist it around to fit your conspiracy theory. It works on the mindless fucks like yourself, but those of us that use our brains, think its retarded. It makes you look like you are grasping at anything to sell your smoke and mirror show.

And, so you get this right, I never said we ONLY went there for WMD's. In fact, I've been pretty clear to point out that was only one of many reasons that we went there.

Was that the letter furnished by Chalibi's source the CIA nicknamed "curveball" because the guy was a fucking nut?Most of our intelligence agencies disregarded his info because they found him unreliable but guess who didnt?Dick Cheyney.Read up about chalibi and how he used Cheyney and the other neo-cons to position himself in a position of power in Iraq.Your lack of understanding of whats going on is laughable.

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-05-2007

BIRD33 Wrote:Was that the letter furnished by Chalibi's source the CIA nicknamed "curveball" because the guy was a fucking nut?Most of our intelligence agencies disregarded his info because they found him unreliable but guess who didnt?Dick Cheyney.Read up about chalibi and how he used Cheyney and the other neo-cons to position himself in a position of power in Iraq.Your lack of understanding of whats going on is laughable.

No. That was the letter that was found by British intelligence by way of Italian intelligence. The British are the ones that informed Bush of the contents of the letter and they said at the time it was authentic.

I'm pretty sure it was Bush that had Chalibi taken out of power in Iraq when he was suspected of having some ties to Iran.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:No. That was the letter that was found by British intelligence by way of Italian intelligence. The British are the ones that informed Bush of the contents of the letter and they said at the time it was authentic.

I'm pretty sure it was Bush that had Chalibi taken out of power in Iraq when he was suspected of having some ties to Iran.

If you want the real story on how Cheyney and Bush used info Chalibi provided that fit how they saw things or wanted to see things in Iraq you need to read this article.It basically breaksdown how Chalibi a "raghead" as you eloquently call them duped the vice president and president of the United States and thier followers because he was saying what they wanted to hear.All through the article you'll notice intelligence officers on our side questioning the validity of the info that was being provided but cheyney didnt want to hear it.Also you'll notice below how Powell was forced to go to the UN with intelligence he thought was triple sourced but actually was coming straight out of the vice presidents office via Chalibi which included the uranium from niger claim that the British got from Chalabi's source as well. I doubt you're going to read it since its so long and filled with facts that might differ from the GW bible but it might be a trip for you to see cheyney used and abused by some dumb raghead.If they were duped didnt they owe it to the thousands of Americans that died to get maybe more than one source before we sent people to their deaths?



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/05/magazine/05CHALABI.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=8d010b09bfcfbc53&ex=1320382800&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell in Bush’s first term, adds a final turn to the labyrinth. In the frantic days leading up to Powell’s speech at the United Nations in February 2003, when he laid out the case for war, Wilkerson said he spent many nights sleeping on a couch in George Tenet’s office. During those preparations, Wilkerson told me, Powell insisted that every point he would make at the U.N. had to be supported by at least three independent sources.
“We had three or four sources for every item that was substantive in his presentation,” Wilkerson told me in an interview in Washington. “Powell insisted on that. But what I am hearing now, though, is that a lot of these sources sort of tinged and merged back into a single source, and that inevitably that single source seems to be either recommended by, set up by, orchestrated by, introduced by, or whatever, by somebody in the I.N.C.”
Wilkerson said that the revelations, some of which he says he has heard from his own friends inside American and European intelligence agencies, have forced him to rethink how America went to war. “I have maintained pretty much the same thing that the president said, ‘Well, we all got fooled, it was lousy intelligence, and no one in the national leadership spun the intelligence,’ ” Wilkerson said. “I am having to revisit that. And that is disturbing to me.”
Wilkerson raises a crucial point. Assuming that Chalabi was a source for at least some of the bogus intelligence, we might ask ourselves: so what? Was the American national security apparatus so incompetent that it could be hoodwinked by a handful of shopworn engineers and an Iraqi mathematician to take the country into war? Or is the lesson more disturbing — that Chalabi simply gave the Bush administration what it wanted to hear?
“I think Chalabi and the I.N.C. were very shrewd,” Wilkerson said. “I think Chalabi understood what people wanted, and he fed it to them. From everything I’ve heard, no one says he is dumb.”

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

BIRD33 Wrote:If you want the real story on how Cheyney and Bush used info Chalibi
I'm guessing from that left wing blog that you are backing off your assertion that Chalibi forged the letter about Niger supplying uranium to Iraq?

The dust from your wagons circling is making it hard to see what you're saying.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I'm guessing from that left wing blog that you are backing off your assertion that Chalibi forged the letter about Niger supplying uranium to Iraq?

The dust from your wagons circling is making it hard to see what you're saying.

Left wing blog?It's the New York Times and quotes Colin Powells chief of staff along with several other administration officials who were present to the run up of to the war.How pathetic are you that you can't even look at information even if it is factual that might differ from the fantasy you've built up in your head.You are the perfect GW kool-aid drinker.

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

I can't find the part in that New York times left wing article that says that Cheney and Bush sat around and concocted all of the facts or manipulated evidence for us to go to war.

You're saying that Powell was writing a speech with his chief of staff and they were looking for 3 to 4 sources to back up every fact in his speech, and yet somehow Bush and Cheney were somewhere else manipulating these facts on purpose to get us into a war that they wanted for other reasons?

Are you really that stupid.

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

Did Chalibi forge the letter that was found saying that Niger would supply uranium to Iraq?

A. Yes

B. No

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Did Chalibi forge the letter that was found saying that Niger would supply uranium to Iraq?

A. Yes

B. No


The INC that he was head of did.We(cheyney) never bothered to double check him.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

Read the article dumbass.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:I can't find the part in that New York times left wing article that says that Cheney and Bush sat around and concocted all of the facts or manipulated evidence for us to go to war.

You're saying that Powell was writing a speech with his chief of staff and they were looking for 3 to 4 sources to back up every fact in his speech, and yet somehow Bush and Cheney were somewhere else manipulating these facts on purpose to get us into a war that they wanted for other reasons?

Are you really that stupid.


Powell wanted 3 sources.We gave him three sources that actually turned out to be one source.Its pretty simple.I'm shocked you can't follow.


“We had three or four sources for every item that was substantive in his presentation,” Wilkerson told me in an interview in Washington. “Powell insisted on that. But what I am hearing now, though, is that a lot of these sources sort of tinged and merged back into a single source, and that inevitably that single source seems to be either recommended by, set up by, orchestrated by, introduced by, or whatever, by somebody in the I.N.C.”

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

BIRD33 Wrote:The INC that he was head of did.We(cheyney) never bothered to double check him.

Dude, you are going to have to provide some kind of a link to back that up. Everything that I have seen says that that letter(s) (actually there were more than one) emerged as early as 1999 when Iraq's Ambassador to Italy toured Africa. Sometime after his tour, a Niger diplomat turned the letter(s) over to Italian authorities.

The Italian Intelligence authorities kept the letter(s) and sent summaries of them to Britain and the US.

Here's some of the forged documents.

http://cryptome.org/niger-docs.htm

I can't find one single thing anywhere that ever suggests that Chalibi had anything to do with fabricating those documents.

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

BIRD33 Wrote:Powell wanted 3 sources.We gave him three sources that actually turned out to be one source.Its pretty simple.I'm shocked you can't follow.


“We had three or four sources for every item that was substantive in his presentation,” Wilkerson told me in an interview in Washington. “Powell insisted on that. But what I am hearing now, though, is that a lot of these sources sort of tinged and merged back into a single source, and that inevitably that single source seems to be either recommended by, set up by, orchestrated by, introduced by, or whatever, by somebody in the I.N.C.”

Did you know that Powell never saw the Niger/Iraq documents. He actually never saw them.

He used them as supporting evidence for his case to the UN, but he never saw them.

Flump.. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 01-06-2007

If anything, it appears that most people are speculating that British Intelligence fabricated the documents.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 01-06-2007

I agree thats rock solid evidence to go to war with.

Flump.. - BIRD33 - 06-30-2009

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Whatever, bandwagon boy.

I'll bet in less than a year you and your other Pelosi carpet munching meek minded tail turners have figured out a way to say that the death of Sadam was a bad thing. Maybe bring Cheney and Rumsfield and Bush up on war crimes charges for his murder.


Hello!

Tomorrow we start pulling out of Iraq!Its going to be Iraqs version of July 4th and there will be all sorts of explosions in honor of the momentous occasion!God bless our poor public school system that forged the bad ass american dumb fucks who voted with their gut and made this all possible!