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A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Dude, you know you are just a political hater when you can't be proud of what happened today. Just for one day. The worst terrorist alive on this planet was killed last night by our troops. They found him and they killed him. The guy that beheaded those people and posted the videos on the internet where their families could see it, is no more. I don't give a shit what your political views are, today's a damn good day.

That terrorist would not have had the oppurtunity to kill 10 service men let alone the 100's he's responsible for if we didnt go to iraq.great we killed him but was it worth it?If you look at the decades of problems we created by your bravado foreign policy you wouldnt be so proud.You don't understand the world and the mess we created while the real terrorist is safe because we are distracted by a war that had nothing to do with 9\11 and the "war on terror".

A political question. - Dr. Lecter - 06-08-2006

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A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

ClayRock Wrote:well when all teh talk was going around about the US going into Iraq, i can't remember "breach of treaty agreement" being one of the reasons, it was all about WMD this and that.

Clay, you have to remember, after the end of the First Gulf War, Saddam had mountains of WMD's. All kinds of chemical, biological, and semi-long range missles. The treaty he signed was to get rid of those WMD's in an orderly fashion under the direction supervision of a team of UN inspectors. 13 UN resolutions were ultimately passed directing him to get rid of all WMD's under supervision of UN inspectors. He repeatedly dodged the inspectors. They did witness him getting rid of some of the WMD's, but they were kicked out, forced back in, led in circles. He basically thumbed his nose at those inspectors. They didn't know what he had done or was doing or planned to do.

They reported to the UN that he was not doing anything according to the resolutions.

He also had a no fly zone that he agreed to. He repeatedly violated that no fly zone. He fired upon our planes.

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

Raiden Wrote:one of you is a total retard.
I'll bet they are on the phone right now making up.

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Clay, you have to remember, after the end of the First Gulf War, Saddam had mountains of WMD's. All kinds of chemical, biological, and semi-long range missles. The treaty he signed was to get rid of those WMD's in an orderly fashion under the direction supervision of a team of UN inspectors. 13 UN resolutions were ultimately passed directing him to get rid of all WMD's under supervision of UN inspectors. He repeatedly dodged the inspectors. They did witness him getting rid of some of the WMD's, but they were kicked out, forced back in, led in circles. He basically thumbed his nose at those inspectors. They didn't know what he had done or was doing or planned to do.

They reported to the UN that he was not doing anything according to the resolutions.

He also had a no fly zone that he agreed to. He repeatedly violated that no fly zone. He fired upon our planes.

N korea is violating(present tense) the same UN treaties and they have nukes.

A political question. - ClayRock - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Clay, you have to remember, after the end of the First Gulf War, Saddam had mountains of WMD's. All kinds of chemical, biological, and semi-long range missles. The treaty he signed was to get rid of those WMD's in an orderly fashion under the direction supervision of a team of UN inspectors. 13 UN resolutions were ultimately passed directing him to get rid of all WMD's under supervision of UN inspectors. He repeatedly dodged the inspectors. They did witness him getting rid of some of the WMD's, but they were kicked out, forced back in, led in circles. He basically thumbed his nose at those inspectors. They didn't know what he had done or was doing or planned to do.

They reported to the UN that he was not doing anything according to the resolutions.

He also had a no fly zone that he agreed to. He repeatedly violated that no fly zone. He fired upon our planes.

did they find any before they invaded?

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:That terrorist would not have had the oppurtunity to kill 10 service men let alone the 100's he's responsible for if we didnt go to iraq.great we killed him but was it worth it?If you look at the decades of problems we created by your bravado foreign policy you wouldnt be so proud.You don't understand the world and the mess we created while the real terrorist is safe because we are distracted by a war that had nothing to do with 9\11 and the "war on terror".
Why do you insist on making the war in Iraq part of the war on terror? Can't you differentiate the two?

A political question. - ClayRock - 06-08-2006

didn't Bush claim Iraq was housing terrorists?

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Why do you insist on making the war in Iraq part of the war on terror? Can't you differentiate the two?

Bush say's you can't differentiate between the Iraq war and the war on terror.He's said it 100 times.You don't even understand the goverment policys you are defending.Give up.

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

ClayRock Wrote:did they find any before they invaded?

Oh shit. Saddam destroyed HUGE amounts of WMD's between 1991 and the time we invaded. The UN inspectors witnessed some or most of it. Who knows? They never knew if they were watching all of it or part of it. They knew there were things going on that they weren't seeing, but they didn't have the freedom to go where they wanted when they wanted.

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

ClayRock Wrote:did they find any before they invaded?

This is cut and pasted from wikipedia:

Quote:After the 1991 Gulf War, U.N. Resolutions were passed to impose sanctions on the Saddam regime until it was verified that their Weapons of Mass Destruction were destroyed. Starting in the aftermath of the war and continuing until 1998, UNSCOM inspected Iraq, locating and destroying large quantities of chemical agents, nuclear related equipment and other prohibited materials. Conflict between Iraq and the U.N. developed during 1998, however, which led to the withdrawal of the U.N. and the authorization of a bombing campaign by the Clinton administration to "degrade Saddam's capacity to develop and deliver weapons of mass destruction, and to degrade his ability to threaten his neighbors".


A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Oh shit. Saddam destroyed HUGE amounts of WMD's between 1991 and the time we invaded. The UN inspectors witnessed some or most of it. Who knows? They never knew if they were watching all of it or part of it. They knew there were things going on that they weren't seeing, but they didn't have the freedom to go where they wanted when they wanted.

The same UN inspectors that we didnt let finish their job after they couldnt find anything and needed more time?You're stupidity is hilarious.Just keep running you business and contributing to the economy and leave politics to the big boys who's world extends past the local piggly wiggly.

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Bush say's you can't differentiate between the Iraq war and the war on terror.He's said it 100 times.You don't even understand the goverment policys you are defending.Give up.

The differentiation that he is talking about is in our actions. We can no longer sit back and hope things don't happen. We have to be proactive.

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

By the way.The poison gas chemical weapons that Iraq had and destroyed was given to them by the US back in the 80's to fight Iran.Saddam used it on its own people but thats not the US's problem.

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:The differentiation that he is talking about is in our actions. We can no longer sit back and hope things don't happen. We have to be proactive.

Thats a lie when you look at North Korea and their exisiting nukes along with their sales of missles to Iran.We arent and won't do shit.

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper how has the rest of the country 63% figured this out and you havent?Slow?

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:The same UN inspectors that we didnt let finish their job after they couldnt find anything and needed more time?You're stupidity is hilarious.Just keep running you business and contributing to the economy and leave politics to the big boys who's world extends past the local piggly wiggly.

Yep, those same inspectors. Hans Blix. The one that....

Quote:Four months later on March 7, 2003, head of the inspectors, Hans Blix made his last presentation to the U.N. describing Iraq's cooperation in resolving oustanding issues as "active or even proactive" he went on to state "these initiatives three to four months into the new resolution cannot be said to constitute immediate cooperation." After failed attempts to get a United Nations Security Council resolution supporting military action against Iraq, the United States unilaterally delivered an ultimatum on March 17, 2003, demanding that Saddam Hussein leave Iraq within 48 hours. On March 18, 2003 the U.S. announced the formation of what it dubbed the "Coalition of the willing". On March 20, 2003 the 2003 Invasion of Iraq began


A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

BIRD33 Wrote:Thats a lie when you look at North Korea and their exisiting nukes along with their sales of missles to Iran.We arent and won't do shit.

You will use any argument. But none of them tie together. You want us to do something to North Korea or what? Do you think these rogue countries need to be dealt with or what? Which is it?

A political question. - Flumper Barflusterbutt - 06-08-2006

63% of the country doesn't like Bush because there are a lot of things not going well right now. The war isn't going as fast as people had hoped. There are more lives being lost than people had hoped. The troops are having to stay longer than people hoped. Gas prices are crazy and will probably be $7/ gallon soon. Alternate fuel sources aren't being come up with. The cost of the war is ridiculous. Homeland security is costing a ton. The illegal aliens are swarming the country and we can't keep them out. Global warming. The stock market is down. Hurricane season is coming and there will be twice as many as last year.

You name it.

A political question. - BIRD33 - 06-08-2006

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Yep, those same inspectors. Hans Blix. The one that....

You act like every country that violates UN sanctions gets invaded.Can you name another one that did?

So have you realized that Bush see's Iraq as the war on terror yet and this has nothing to do with UN sanctions since we went around UN treatys to invade iraq?You can't get all worked up about violating something and then do the same thing while ignoring other violaters.