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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - SanDog - 07-27-2005

Ntype Wrote:Everyone got a "biased" opinion, it's true because we all perceive our world differentely and don't see the same things.

I won't say that I am not sharing the same point of view than you, but in a whole larger aspect, what is journalism than reporting things outside.

Journalists isn't a special class of people, they just happen to do a few years of study to learn good writting and be given some intellectual background. Now I won't dissect the merits of that cartooonist but what he done "a political satire" using words that the president may have said (or not) is some kind of journalism too.

I am sorry, I was mixing together yours and bird33's arguements. He is of the impression that journalists are there own class of people. The take Journalistic Ethics and stuff. I think he has aspirations of writing for ESPN the magazine.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - SanDog - 07-27-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Political cartoons serve a valuable purpose and are never edited.It is on the record that bush came up with the "turd blossom" nickname. Its all true and wouldnt have been a problem if people didnt feel the need to defend bush.

I am not sure about the valuable purpose, but that is not the point. Where in the article above does it say bush came up with the name? They think he did, but there is no reference to the source.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - BIRD33 - 07-27-2005

SanDog Wrote:I am outraged by half truths every day. I like the idea of your perfect journalism world. But here, in the real world, it does not really work that way. If that was the case then there should never be a time when a paper takes sides or endorses a candidate for an election.

I understand what you are saying. I am telling you that it does not work the way you want it to.

By the way, hospitals turn away people that cannot afford treatment all the time.

Judith Miller lives in the real world.Newspapers dont work the way they should anymore because people like yourself seem to value the almighty dollar over whats right or wrong.Editorial pages are often called "opinion pages" for a reason, they are just that particualar papers point of view expressed solely in that section and arent carried over into other parts of the paper especially things the paper didnt write.Doctors arent hospitals,read the hypocratic(sp) oath.Hospitals are corporations,even so they would get sued for not providing life saving treatment to a homeless guy who got hit out front of their hospital.It doesnt work the way we want because we let it.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - BIRD33 - 07-27-2005

SanDog Wrote:I am not sure about the valuable purpose, but that is not the point. Where in the article above does it say bush came up with the name? They think he did, but there is no reference to the source.

"Bushes Brain", read it you'll see the reference to bush coming up with that name that had to be fact checked before it could be in the book.Its a playful nickname, nothing wrong with it.

Political Cartoons are a part of american politics dating back to the 1800's and are a valuable way of forcing people to look at issues from a different angle.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - BIRD33 - 07-27-2005

SanDog Wrote:I am sorry, I was mixing together yours and bird33's arguements. He is of the impression that journalists are there own class of people. The take Journalistic Ethics and stuff. I think he has aspirations of writing for ESPN the magazine.

Ha!

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - SanDog - 07-27-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:"Bushes Brain", read it you'll see the reference to bush coming up with that name that had to be fact checked before it could be in the book.Its a playful nickname, nothing wrong with it.

Political Cartoons are a part of american politics dating back to the 1800's and are a valuable way of forcing people to look at issues from a different angle.

I will have to check it out the premise of the book and see if it is something I will read.
You have a lot more faith in our news reporting industry than I do, I can tell you that much.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - BIRD33 - 07-27-2005

SanDog Wrote:I will have to check it out the premise of the book and see if it is something I will read.
You have a lot more faith in our news reporting industry than I do, I can tell you that much.

Imagine if woodward and bernstein had an editor that was afraid to rock the boat.We would be carving Nixons head into Mt. Rushmore.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - SanDog - 07-27-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Imagine if woodward and bernstein had an editor that was afraid to rock the boat.We would be carving Nixons head into Mt. Rushmore.

Talk about 2 of the luckiest SOB's ever. They just happened to be the benefactors of a disgruntled employee. What Gray did was 10 times worse than Rove's outing. Considering the international climate at the time, and the Cold War in full force, the man put us in a pretty precarious position as a nation, just because he got passed over. Now they are making him out to be this do gooder. The guy was a crybaby, who did not get what he wanted.

Do not read this as an inference of support of Nixon or what Nixon did.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - BIRD33 - 07-27-2005

SanDog Wrote:Talk about 2 of the luckiest SOB's ever. They just happened to be the benefactors of a disgruntled employee. What Gray did was 10 times worse than Rove's outing. Considering the international climate at the time, and the Cold War in full force, the man put us in a pretty precarious position as a nation, just because he got passed over. Now they are making him out to be this do gooder. The guy was a crybaby, who did not get what he wanted.

Do not read this as an inference of support of Nixon or what Nixon did.

I hear ya on some of the above but I think you have to take into account that Nixons appointed head of the FBI that Gray would have had to report to was a friend of nixon not to mention appointed by nixon.I think its the greatest example of how free speech helped america.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - SanDog - 07-27-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Judith Miller lives in the real world.Newspapers dont work the way they should anymore because people like yourself seem to value the almighty dollar over whats right or wrong.Editorial pages are often called "opinion pages" for a reason, they are just that particualar papers point of view expressed solely in that section and arent carried over into other parts of the paper especially things the paper didnt write.Doctors arent hospitals,read the hypocratic(sp) oath.Hospitals are corporations,even so they would get sued for not providing life saving treatment to a homeless guy who got hit out front of their hospital.It doesnt work the way we want because we let it.

I missed this one. I made the point about hospitals for a reason. Hospitals are corporations, as are news magazines, newspapers, and News shows.
I am not the cause of the problem, I am pointing it out to you, and explaining why it happens. I think you already know it, you just don't like it. That is fair.
It has never been, nor will it be, the utopia you wish for. I like the idea of some of what you say. But I also know that unless large scale revolution were to take place and some other form of economic rule or political rule took over it can't happen. I suppose the closest to what would work to fill all your requirements is some sort of socialist anarchy.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - Tribal Dragon - 07-27-2005

This sums up the argument.

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Doonesbury pulled *ROFL* - snarg - 07-28-2005

thanks dragon
it is amazing how the pursuit of wealth affects intelligence

the difference between intelligence and wisdom is pretty clearly delineated in this thread

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