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Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Its called welfare,more whites recieve it than any group.

I did not know that. All I did know is that, I've worked for everything I have. I worked days and put myself through night school. (with just the pal grant and student loans for help.) I've never collected unempoyment or welfare, even when I was dead broke with no job. And I never had help from relatives untill I inherited some cash from my grandmother after she passed a few years ago. and even that is put away for my kids college education.

I couldn't have gotten as far as I have if I would have spent all my time whining about how I've got it so bad, and the rest of the world owes me something thing just because of my skin color....When I was working construction and going to night school. I spent some time doing HUD work in the inner city....it's amazing how much time those (black/white/hispanic/ whatever) have got to sit around and do nothing excapt drink beer on the front porch..

I totally agree with Asshat about the privately funded thing. What I don't agree with is, don't expect someone to just make life easy for you simply because you don't feel like doing anything for yourself. That goes for any person, regardless of skin color.

Opinions - BIRD33 - 03-28-2005

Bill Wrote:I did not know that. All I did know is that, I've worked for everything I have. I worked days and put myself through night school. (with just the pal grant and student loans for help.) I've never collected unempoyment or welfare, even when I was dead broke with no job. And I never had help from relatives untill I inherited some cash from my grandmother after she passed a few years ago. and even that is put away for my kids college education.

I couldn't have gotten as far as I have if I would have spent all my time whining about how I've got it so bad, and the rest of the world owes me something thing just because of my skin color....When I was working construction and going to night school. I spent some time doing HUD work in the inner city....it's amazing how much time those (black/white/hispanic/ whatever) have got to sit around and do nothing excapt drink beer on the front porch..

I totally agree with Asshat about the privately funded thing. What I don't agree with is, don't expect someone to just make life easy for you simply because you don't feel like doing anything for yourself. That goes for any person, regardless of skin color.

What kind of cookie would you like?

Opinions - Banana - 03-28-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Arent you invalidating your "Its not gay to taste your own semen argument" by racking this?Way to be consistent.
I'm racking it cause it was funny. Regardless of what my opinion is. I can laugh at things that go against my opinions. :roll: Welcome to InsaneTrain.

Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:What kind of cookie would you like?

I'll get my cookie soon....100 grand of profit on my house is a big enough cookie for me.

Opinions - leucetios - 03-28-2005

anhil8tor Wrote:BTW...when caucasian becomes the minority...will they get their own awards.

I grew up in a place that is 95% black, 2% white and 3% other (Indian, Chinese, etc). We didn't get our own awards.

Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

leucetios Wrote:I grew up in a place that is 95% black, 2% white and 3% other (Indian, Chinese, etc). We didn't get our own awards.

you got bullet proof vests didn't you.

Opinions - TomFoolery - 03-28-2005

Banana Wrote:Yeah....I'm glad affirmative action has decreased in the past several years. Our police force was becoming a melting pot of underqualified minorities for a while there. They still have a certain percentage of minorities they have to hire though.

I don't think you (or the police force) comprehend what affirmative action is supposed to be. Minorities aren't hired because they are minorities, they are hired because they have the same qualifications as the blond haired blue eyed devils.

You say that the police force has become a 'melting pot of underqualified minorities'; theoretically, this means that every applicant is underqualified.

Opinions - TomFoolery - 03-28-2005

Banana Wrote:...I'm just wondering about the backlash if we tried to have, for lack of better terminology, WASP awards. Excluding all others.

We already do. It's called Presidency.

Opinions - Banana - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:I don't think you (or the police force) comprehend what affirmative action is supposed to be. Minorities aren't hired because they are minorities, they are hired because they have the same qualifications as the blond haired blue eyed devils.

You say that the police force has become a 'melting pot of underqualified minorities'; theoretically, this means that every applicant is underqualified.
You would think......

that's my problem/issue with it.

Opinions - Banana - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:We already do. It's called Presidency.
Whole new can of worms.

Opinions - TomFoolery - 03-28-2005

Banana Wrote:You would think......

that's my problem/issue with it.

I shouldn't have mentioned the 'blond haired blue eyed devils'. Affirmative action doesn't have to do with just skin color, it goes much deeper than that.

If I'm not mistaken affirmative action has resulted in the removal of the 'gender' and 'race' fields on most employment applications. Peoples' perception of affirmative action is that blacks are stealing jobs, and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

If someone (not specifically you, Banana) wants to be upset because of affirmative action, they should be mad at women, all minorities, and the disabled.

Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:I shouldn't have mentioned the 'blond haired blue eyed devils'. Affirmative action doesn't have to do with just skin color, it goes much deeper than that.

If I'm not mistaken affirmative action has resulted in the removal of the 'gender' and 'race' fields on most employment applications. Peoples' perception of affirmative action is that blacks are stealing jobs, and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

If someone (not specifically you, Banana) wants to be upset because of affirmative action, they should be mad at women, all minorities, and the disabled.

so If I'm reading you correctly,

white guy and black guy apply for the same job. White guy is alittle over qualified. Black guy meets all requirments for the job. Black guy is hired.

now reverse the tables

Black guy is over qualified, white guy is at par. white guy is hired.

now think about both senarios and tell me who is more likely to file a lawsuit based on racial bias?

Now put yourself in the employers possition and tell me what person you'd rather hire.

I'm just playing devils advocate here. personally I think it should be based on who is more qualified. for the price the employer is whilling to pay the employee....sorta like shoping for anything else. as an employer you want the most for your money.

Opinions - Banana - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:I shouldn't have mentioned the 'blond haired blue eyed devils'. Affirmative action doesn't have to do with just skin color, it goes much deeper than that.

If I'm not mistaken affirmative action has resulted in the removal of the 'gender' and 'race' fields on most employment applications. Peoples' perception of affirmative action is that blacks are stealing jobs, and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

If someone (not specifically you, Banana) wants to be upset because of affirmative action, they should be mad at women, all minorities, and the disabled.
I agree with everything you say. However, when you set it up so that a certain percentage MUST be hired, you do essentially give jobs to people on the basis of their race. What if, in one particular year, all the minority candidates are bad? But, you still need to hire that percentage?

Opinions - CT280 - 03-28-2005

i am waiting for an opportunity to lay some pizza fucking smack in this thread.:$

Opinions - TomFoolery - 03-28-2005

Bill Wrote:so If I'm reading you correctly,

white guy and black guy apply for the same job. White guy is alittle over qualified. Black guy meets all requirments for the job. Black guy is hired.

now reverse the tables

Black guy is over qualified, white guy is at par. white guy is hired.

now think about both senarios and tell me who is more likely to file a lawsuit based on racial bias?

Now put yourself in the employers possition and tell me what person you'd rather hire.

I'm just playing devils advocate here. personally I think it should be based on who is more qualified. for the price the employer is whilling to pay the employee....sorta like shoping for anything else. as an employer you want the most for your money.

I understand the Devil's Advocate role, and that's cool.

I'm not an advocate of affirmative action, so I don't think I could answer your question correctly. I'm a white dude, so it's difficult for me to comprehend all aspects of affirmative action because I haven't been oppressed for 400+ years. There are no equal rights movements supporting my race and gender. I'm not upset with this because I believe in equality; if a black man, Hispanic woman, or disabled midget takes my job I will feel it's because they are more qualified than me and less likely to fuck around on internet forums during company time.

Opinions - asshat - 03-28-2005

If our forefathers had known it was going to cause this much trouble, they would have picked their own damn cotton.

Opinions - TomFoolery - 03-28-2005

Banana Wrote:I agree with everything you say. However, when you set it up so that a certain percentage MUST be hired, you do essentially give jobs to people on the basis of their race. What if, in one particular year, all the minority candidates are bad? But, you still need to hire that percentage?

You're not understanding affirmative action; it doesn't require a quota to be filled. It doesn't mean that certain races must be hired.

In theory, all applicants with similar qualifications must be given an equal opportunity to be hired.

If all minority applicants are shit, don't hire any of them. You will be able to justify your actions.

Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:I believe in equality; if a black man, Hispanic woman, or disabled midget takes my job I will feel it's because they are more qualified than me and less likely to fuck around on internet forums during company time.

agreed. I just don't understand the goal of the NAACP these day. Which was more on target of the original question. As a white guy who grew up in the south, I had to deal with alot of issues in the name of equality. I was bused across town, a 1 1/2 hour ride, to mostly black school, in an all black neighborhood. All in the attempt to balance out the race populous in the public school system. Even though I was threatened every (seemed like) everyday, simply for being white, and eventually getting kicked out for not letting a 15 year old black kid beat my 13 year old head in, I never once complained. it was an accepted practice and just the way it had to be.

Opinions - Banana - 03-28-2005

Penis Biter Wrote:You're not understanding affirmative action; it doesn't require a quota to be filled. It doesn't mean that certain races must be hired.

In theory, all applicants with similar qualifications must be given an equal opportunity to be hired.

If all minority applicants are shit, don't hire any of them. You will be able to justify your actions.
It may be that way is the US. There was a time here when it was quota related. It's not now. It was a flaw in the fabric of Canadian society. One of many Wink

Opinions - Bill - 03-28-2005

Banana Wrote:It may be that way is the US. There was a time here when it was quota related. It's not now. It was a flaw in the fabric of Canadian society. One of many Wink

many government places, city hall/ mayors office/etc.., here in the states still have to have a % of minority workers. What that persentage is I do not know.