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hi - BIRD33 - 06-19-2006
HMMMMMM Wrote:You are absolutely right. Someone (Retard) posted cLay's personal shit. Someone after that sent an email to his company.
Retard has been banned permanently, there isn't much else we can do about him,wish we could. As to who did something with that information nobody seems to know. You all pretend that you do, but you don't, and neither do I.Sure it could have been CJ who did it, but I don't think so
Remember that someone already had given "Mr Hotpance" at WTF CJ's personal information prior to this incident. It is distinctly possible it is the same person.
Exactly.Any other suspects?Please enlighten me.
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Exactly.Any other suspects?Please enlighten me.
I can think of one but I am not going to spout out names because I have no hard evidence. Just a hunch.
hi - BIRD33 - 06-19-2006
cLaY Wrote:why was retard banned last week instead of when the personal info was originally posted? now nobody will ever really be able to get any info from him. i was kind of confused by imagpie's PM saying he all of a sudden was banning retard...i mean its justified, but why not sooner?
You'd think if imaqtpie didnt know what was going on at all he'd wait to get retards side of the story before banning him.
hi - BIRD33 - 06-19-2006
HMMMMMM Wrote:I can think of one but I am not going to spout out names because I have no hard evidence. Just a hunch.
Bullshit.
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:Bullshit.
Fine.
hi - Paddy - 06-19-2006
HMMMMMM Wrote:I can think of one but I am not going to spout out names because I have no hard evidence. Just a hunch.
Was this suspect posting from the Grassy Knoll?
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
cLaY Wrote:why was retard banned last week instead of when the personal info was originally posted? now nobody will ever really be able to get any info from him. i was kind of confused by imagpie's PM saying he all of a sudden was banning retard...i mean its justified, but why not sooner?
That's a valid question. I don't think anyone realized the gravity of what had transpired. I can tell you I didn't even know it had happened until you made the thread about getting fired. You were correct in that we were slow in banning him, but even if it happened quickly the results would have been the same.
I really am sorry you lost your job, if it's true. Even if you are trolling about this he had to go, because you do not fuck with people's personal lives.
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
Paddy Wrote:Was this suspect posting from the Grassy Knoll?
I'm counting on Jack Ruby to sort this all out for us.
hi - Tommy - 06-19-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:You'd think if imaqtpie didnt know what was going on at all he'd wait to get retards side of the story before banning him.
Oh snap
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:You'd think if imaqtpie didnt know what was going on at all he'd wait to get retards side of the story before banning him.
Do you really think we didn't think of that? Retard already knew he was fucked by then though and told us nothing.
hi - BIRD33 - 06-19-2006
HMMMMMM Wrote:Do you really think we didn't think of that? Retard already knew he was fucked by then though and told us nothing.
I totally believe you.What I mean by that is you probably werent involved and you don't know who's covering who's ass.
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
BIRD33 Wrote:I totally believe you.What I mean by that is you probably werent involved and you don't know who's covering who's ass.In other words, "I am a clueless asshole". Correct?
hi - ntype - 06-19-2006
From my point of view (Switzerland) I feel the thing as being quite strange and "way too much".
I have studied laws and ethics (they were part of my cursus), moreover having to keep myself "up to date" with the basics of what you can do / cannot (being the sysadmin where I work I sometimes have to flag certain requests of the managers as being "innapropriate" legally speaking, or that I could but they couldn't be used for firing someone).
In Switzerland someone "surfing" or even "using the emails" of the work is not a valable argument to get someone fired (unless they only do that all day long but it's another story), it's at worse a negative point to take into someone's file when it comes the day where it is needed to finish the working relationships. However as a second point it can't be used directly, you need first to give that person a warning like "do not use our ressources for stuff like that".
Btw I say that this isn't a valable argument to get someone fired, but you still can fire him for that, the only difference is that the end of the work relationships will be flagged as "abusive" and they company is going to be legally entitled to pay up to 2 years of salary (however on the usage it's 6 months at the maximum and the person has to go on court for that).
hi - BIRD33 - 06-19-2006
HMMMMMM Wrote:In other words, "I am a clueless asshole". Correct?
As I am.I'm just looking at the fact that imaqtpie posted peoples info in the past and retard didnt seem smart enough to actually track clays info down.It's the old where there's smoke there's usually fire saying.
hi - HMMMMMM - 06-19-2006
Fair enough.
hi - paybacksare - 06-20-2006
I was actually asked for clay's IP a few weeks back when he was messing on CF. I told the person who asked that I wouldn't give it to them, just as they wouldn't want me giving their IP to Clay, and they agreed. It wasn't Retard, but I have also heard that Retard was on quite a campaign to get TF's info and then Clay's.
None of the mods/admins at CF care enough about Retard to do something like give him an IP, however obviously he got it somehow. It could have happened at CF; it could have happened here; it could have happened at WTF; it could have happened through anyone that Clay might have IM'd with...just a few weeks ago someone was discussing how scarily easy it can be to get people's info simply by Im'ing with them.
Bottom line is that Retard should not have posted that info. And if it was also Retard who sent the email to Clay's work, that is seriously sad and fucked up and I hope none of us ever see Retard again. But we'll probably never really know for sure.
After all, it's been said that Christy was the one who gave out CJ's home address and phone and full name to be posted by that strange hotpance person. Naturally, she denies this. So how do you know what to believe?
It sucks that this happened and I certainly wish I knew what all really occurred. If this is troll job, it's a damn good one because it's certainly got people riled up and pissed off at others
hi - minorthreat - 06-20-2006
paybacksare Wrote:I was actually asked for clay's IP a few weeks back when he was messing on CF. I told the person who asked that I wouldn't give it to them, just as they wouldn't want me giving their IP to Clay, and they agreed. It wasn't Retard, but I have also heard that Retard was on quite a campaign to get TF's info and then Clay's.
None of the mods/admins at CF care enough about Retard to do something like give him an IP, however obviously he got it somehow. It could have happened at CF; it could have happened here; it could have happened at WTF; it could have happened through anyone that Clay might have IM'd with...just a few weeks ago someone was discussing how scarily easy it can be to get people's info simply by Im'ing with them.
Bottom line is that Retard should not have posted that info. And if it was also Retard who sent the email to Clay's work, that is seriously sad and fucked up and I hope none of us ever see Retard again. But we'll probably never really know for sure.
After all, it's been said that Christy was the one who gave out CJ's home address and phone and full name to be posted by that strange hotpance person. Naturally, she denies this. So how do you know what to believe?
It sucks that this happened and I certainly wish I knew what all really occurred. If this is troll job, it's a damn good one because it's certainly got people riled up and pissed off at others
I can guarantee it wasn't anyone from here, can you do that?
hi - paybacksare - 06-20-2006
minorthreat Wrote:I can guarantee it wasn't anyone from here, can you do that?
Guarantee? Swear on my grandmother's life? On the life of my unborn child? Of course I can't guarantee that and I don't know how you can either. The consensus is that what happened sucks and that whoever is responsible should be dealt with at least from the forum perspective, which is why Retard was banned. No one is sitting over in the mod lounge at CF giggling about this. It's been taken pretty seriously, which why again, if it's a troll job it's been a damn good one.
The only one from the CF end who seemed to really have it out for Clay and Tom was Retard. So do I think it's plausible that Retard really did write to Clays employer, sure, that's possible. Do I think he got the information by asking a mod at CF to give him the address? No, I don't. There is too much that doesn't add up, and enough people who despite the paranoia harpies contentions, really wouldn't do something like that or if they had would sure as hell come forward to brag about it.
hi - cLaY - 06-20-2006
i wouldn't lump Foolery into this...he's been quite clear he meant no harm against anyone.
hi - minorthreat - 06-20-2006
paybacksare Wrote:Guarantee? Swear on my grandmother's life? On the life of my unborn child? Of course I can't guarantee that and I don't know how you can either. The consensus is that what happened sucks and that whoever is responsible should be dealt with at least from the forum perspective, which is why Retard was banned. No one is sitting over in the mod lounge at CF giggling about this. It's been taken pretty seriously, which why again, if it's a troll job it's been a damn good one.
The only one from the CF end who seemed to really have it out for Clay and Tom was Retard. So do I think it's plausible that Retard really did write to Clays employer, sure, that's possible. Do I think he got the information by asking a mod at CF to give him the address? No, I don't. There is too much that doesn't add up, and enough people who despite the paranoia harpies contentions, really wouldn't do something like that or if they had would sure as hell come forward to brag about it.
I disagree 100%. It wasn't the first time Retard did something like this. Not even the 2nd. It was the 3rd. Three times at CF. Nothing was done until now. It was put up with. That makes the admin/mod team just as guilty as he is.
A guy lost his job because someone couldn't take the hurtful words said to him on the net. You all had your chance and did nothing.